serakit ([personal profile] writerkit) wrote2020-06-05 06:56 pm

Cop Shows

So I saw this: https://star-anise.tumblr.com/post/620124001793163264/nurselofwyr-rhythmic-idealist-aleshakills

It discusses a lot of common tropes in cop shows. And I've said for a while that this is why Flashpoint is my favorite cop show-- they don't ever act like procedure is something to be gotten around. (Well, except the don't-date-each-other procedure, in the case of the show's primary couple.) I've often wondered if the reason it's different is that it's a Canadian cop show, set in Canada, where they don't have quite the same love affair with guns. (The fact that they don't carry their guns on them while off-duty is actually a plot point a couple of times, when someone takes hostages where one of them happens to be.) And they *discuss* their procedures on camera a lot; the very first episode has "this is the investigative procedure we undergo every time we kill someone" as a major part of the plot, and they're not especially antagonistic towards it.

Noticing all the stuff discussed in the linked essay has actually made me less and less able to watch cop shows when I used to be very into them. Now I can mostly watch ones like Flashpoint where they *don't* go off the rails, or ones like Grimm where the focus is on "We have plenty of evidence except for the fact that we can't explain that this guy actually morphs into a giant ogre and ripped these people apart with his bare hands; now what?" And now that I think of it, except for the first episode when Nick sees Monroe turn into a Big Bad Wolf and assumes that *obviously* this is the child-kidnapper-- and is wrong and gets called out for it-- I don't think Grimm has much if any of the sort of rights violations you see on most cop shows. (Or most supernatural shows, for that matter; Nick trying to *arrest* the supernatural murderers if at all possible is part of the plot as the thing that differentiates him from his more monster-hunter ancestors.)

Those are the two that really stand out as being decent, but there are a whole slew of cop shows out there, and most of them are really bad at this. There's something of a spectrum, because some aren't *too* awful (forensics shows usually make a pass at the idea that you need evidence) and some are *much worse*. Though it's actually really interesting that NCIS is one of the worst offenders in that regard, because the show it spun off of was JAG, and JAG was explicitly a *lawyer* show, not a cop show. The lawyers did a lot more investigating than most lawyers (and you really do have to consider the first season separately from the later seasons because they're functionally two different shows), but because the main cast was a pool of military lawyers who would be assigned to prosecution or defense in any given episode, they couldn't get too far from the idea that your rights mean something. (They had a whole slew of Absurd Courtroom Antics, but there was a lot of emphasis on the courtroom being important.)
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[personal profile] schneefink 2020-06-06 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
This is one reason why I never really enjoyed cop shows, and several superhero shows have the same problem.

One of my favorite fics is An Internal Affair, a Flash fic where Leonard Snart is a cop in Internal Affairs investigating both the Flash and Barry Allen. It highlights things like how little the Flash team cares about the civil rights of villains.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2020-06-07 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
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[personal profile] elusiveat 2020-06-07 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
I think the only cop show I've ever seen was NYPD Blue, and only a couple episodes. I don't remember anything about being antagonistic toward procedures, but it was a long time ago and as I say, I only caught a couple episodes. Now I'm curious as to how it measures up.
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[personal profile] elusiveat 2020-06-07 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd be interested in whether and how cop shows changed around 9/11.

YES! That would be very interesting.

I note that the image used for the article you linked to uses frames that appear to be from considerably older shows. Hmm.
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[personal profile] elusiveat 2020-06-07 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Now I'm confusing myself over whether or not NYPD Blue was the show I was thinking of at all. For some reason I though the series I was thinking of was set in California, but I've looked at the Wikipedia list of police procedurals, and can't come up with a better candidate, though. Maybe I just never knew the name of the show I was watching, or this might be an amalgam of several shows.

Scenes/episodes I remember:

1) A small-framed female police officer falls short in some sort of physical challenge and spends the episode working out extra to try to be a physically strong as the male officers so that she can go on beat without a man to protect her and is eventually convinced that she is being unreasonable.

2) A younger politically progressive officer is partnered with an older officer with xenophobic impulses and argues with him a lot, then has to reassess how to feel about this when the police need to respond to an emergency call from a couple who do not speak English or Spanish, and the younger cop is taken aback when the older officer is able to communicate with them in fluent Arabic and sees how grateful the couple are, even though the older cop tells them that when he was stationed in the Middle East he made a point of learning the language and that if you're going to live in a place you should learn the language.

3) A male-female cop team need to deal with an older unsafe driver who turns out to be a retired cop. They later point out that he has been driving along dragging his own mailbox off his bumper and he says jovially "well, would you look at that, I didn't even notice." The male officer wants to let him off the hook what with how he's a retired cop and is so nice, and the female officer says no, absolutely not, this guy didn't even notice he hit a mailbox and should not be on the road.
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[personal profile] elusiveat 2020-06-07 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
These were almost certainly from the 90s or very early aughts. There aren't that many shows of that vintage, and most of them I've never heard of, which is part of what has me so confused.
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2020-06-08 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. I *think* that _The Rookie_ (our current cop show of choice) is good-not-great in this regard. Those tropes do show up, but our protagonists tend to be at least somewhat rules-oriented (not least because, as a bunch of rookies, they're under a microscope). One of the cops is dating a defense attorney, so they do get into that aspect of things pretty explicitly, although not with a ton of subtlety.

I'll have to keep this in mind when the show returns -- now I'm curious.

Nick trying to *arrest* the supernatural murderers if at all possible

By coincidence, a variant of this is central to right where I am in _Supernatural_ right now (early season 11), as the boys get into a fairly serious argument of, "When did we turn into the shoot-first-ask-questions-later guys?"

(Although that said, there is no such thing as legal procedure on that show: the only question is whether *all* monsters should be killed on sight, or whether some of them should be allowed to live -- it's quite dark if you really think about it at all.)

There's something of a spectrum, because some aren't *too* awful (forensics shows usually make a pass at the idea that you need evidence) and some are *much worse*.

Oh, heck yeah. I mean, it isn't technically a cop show, but _24_ shared a lot of DNA with cop shows, and by season 4 had become the poster child for the brutality of the Dubya era, coming down firmly pro-torture...
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2020-06-08 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I should note that, like many older genre shows, _Supernatural_ takes a while to come up to speed. Season 1 is largely a waste: it lays critical groundwork, but is mostly annoying, poorly-written monster-of-the-week. Season 2 starts to get decent, but it's really 3-5 that are great -- the writing solidifies, it finds its sense of humor, and the main arc clicks into place. (After that, the seasons are very up-and-down: I'm still watching, but there's a valid case for stopping after season 5, very much like Buffy season 5.)

That said, it might well not be your cup of tea. Even at the best of times, the show has a very acerbic view of the universe (yes, demons are worse than angels -- but only somewhat, and only on average), and tends to a considerable amount of violence.